The article also says that "some" jws have allowed their love to grow cold. If they are looking for fulfillment of this prophecy, they should say "most" have done so.
Yeah I noticed this contradiction too
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Traslation dep in Brazilian branch, W0517
by Ray Frankz ini got shocked when i read the article of the watchtower study of this week.
that's because i read this: the highlights are mine.. quando jesus esteve na terra, ele disse que nos últimos dias o amor da maioria das pessoas ia esfriar.
(mateus 24:3, 12) isso começou a acontecer com os judeus nos dias dos apóstolos.
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Traslation dep in Brazilian branch, W0517
by Ray Frankz ini got shocked when i read the article of the watchtower study of this week.
that's because i read this: the highlights are mine.. quando jesus esteve na terra, ele disse que nos últimos dias o amor da maioria das pessoas ia esfriar.
(mateus 24:3, 12) isso começou a acontecer com os judeus nos dias dos apóstolos.
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Ray Frankz
I got shocked when I read the article of the Watchtower study of this week. That's because I read this: the highlights are mine.
QUANDO Jesus esteve na Terra, ele disse que nos últimos dias o amor da maioria das pessoas ia esfriar. (Mateus 24:3, 12) Isso começou a acontecer com os judeus nos dias dos apóstolos. Esses judeus falavam que eram servos de Jeová, só que com o tempo o amor deles por ele diminuiu.
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When Jesus was on Earth, He said that in the last days the love of the most would grow cold. (MAthews 24 3 12) This began to happen with the jews in the days of the apostles. These jews claimed to be servants of Jehovah, but in time their love for Him grew cold.
When I saw this I thought: What? Am I really still alive to see they start to abandon the teaching of the last days beginning in 1914? Because that's what they say when they teach the love growing cold is a sign of the last days and say that it started in the apostles' days.
It was even more stressed by the question for this paragraph:
1, 2. (a) Quando as palavras de Jesus em Mateus 24:12 começaram a acontecer?
literal translation:
1,2. (a) When did the words of Jesus in Mathews 24 12 begin to happen?I was really excited to have spotted that. Sadly, that wasn't such a big moment as I initially thought. When I checked the original article in english I realized that this little change wasn't there:
ONE facet of the sign that Jesus gave regarding “the conclusion of the system of things” was that “the love of the greater number [would] grow cold.” (Matt. 24:3, 12) In the first century, the Jews, who claimed to be God’s people, allowed their love for God to grow cold. - W0517 p17
See that there's no "this began to happen" in the english version.
Even the original question for this paragraph emphasizes that there are more than one fullfillment of Jesus' words, by using the adverb 'initially'.
(a) To whom did Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:12 initially apply?
In the simplified version they use the adverb 'firstly'. So, my excitment went away when I saw that never had changed. They still stick to 1914 big time.
However, I find it still curious that this meaning have been lost in the translation for portuguese. There are plenty of words that the translator could have translated initially and firstly (inicialmente, primeiramente, etc). So I wonder if this omission wasn't on purpose. As I said, there's no linguistical reason for not to translate the adverbs,
Would there be someone who has awaken to TTATT in Brazilian branch and this was his/her first silent scream?
Something also sadly remarkable is that everybody will read and don't even notice that the first lines of the article contradicted one of their beliefs.
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Let's talk about Don Adams.
by Ray Frankz init's interesting that the person of the president of wtbts has figured lesser and lesser since f. franz era.
i was born in the religion in the 90's and i got to know about russel, rutherford, knorr and franz; but i never knew until a couple of years ago that m. henschel was the president in that time.
the same happens with don adams now, the first wt president from the 'other sheep'.
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If he flubs something, he has to report to the Governing Body and say, "Sorry about that, Chief!"
The dog shaking the tail
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Let's talk about Don Adams.
by Ray Frankz init's interesting that the person of the president of wtbts has figured lesser and lesser since f. franz era.
i was born in the religion in the 90's and i got to know about russel, rutherford, knorr and franz; but i never knew until a couple of years ago that m. henschel was the president in that time.
the same happens with don adams now, the first wt president from the 'other sheep'.
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Ray Frankz
It's interesting that the person of the president of WTBTS has figured lesser and lesser since F. Franz era. I was born in the Religion in the 90's and I got to know about Russel, Rutherford, Knorr and Franz; but I never knew until a couple of years ago that M. Henschel was the President in that time. The same happens with Don Adams now, the first WT president from the 'other sheep'. We don't hear nothing about him.
Some may argue that nowadays all the power lays on the hands of the GB, so the President is only a decorative legal figure. Well, theoretically yes. But as most of us who read R. Franz books know, even with the empowerment of the GB, the opinions of the current President (Knorr, Franz) were always what unbalanced the votings.
It's true that this time the president isn't member of the GB, so, he supposedly isn't in the meetings. I actually don't think this isn't something hard to overcome. Hallways talks with some member who is close to him could put him inside the room even tohugh not physically.
What made me think that was something quite simple.
Have you noticed that all references of articles in the meetings recently are from publications of Don Adams era?
They only put publications from 2000 on in their online library. They are rarely making reference to wt from 90's even less from previous decades. (only exception is when they put excerpts from Russel's articles to make them look like he would agree with the current doctrines of the org; and from Rutherford's articles to make them look less agressive and political.) But they almost stopped puting references in order to the witinesses search further. So I wondered, since this pruning is saving only the Don Adam's era's material, could it be possible that the org is actually still ruled by one big boss, and the GB are more like 'stage assistants' while the show is happening backstage?
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An infographic I just created...
by HappyHappyHappy1914 inhey everyone.
i don't post here often, but i lurk pretty much everyday.
i just created the following infographic based on the recent yearbook stats.
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Ray Frankz
Happy1914, may I have your permission to translate it to portuguese?
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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal
by OrphanCrow inthe supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
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Ray Frankz
Let me guess...some of the demons got the date wrong and maybe the wrong map from Satan and they ended up in Peru instead of making Russia's date with jehovah
How can Satan work with Demons like these?
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Did Jesus pre exist? Yes or no?
by UnshackleTheChains inwhen i first became a witness, i always found the teaching about jesus being the arch angel michael hard to swallow.
i did however believe that jesus pre existed as a master worker alongside god (the first of his creation).. but now everything is brought into question having watched anthony buzzard explain why jesus could not have pre existed as it is impossible to pre exist yourself.
also the fact that it all sounds contradictory to suggest, he was already alive millions of years before he was transferred to mary's womb to be born as a human - the son of man?.
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I think that was he wanted to say in the transfiguration acount.
he glorified with moses and elijah.
God used a possibly special angel to communicate to Moses and Elijah, when he made the transfiguration I understand Jesus saying "hey guys, can you see it now? It was me! I was here to Israel all the time. I AM THE MESSIAH"
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When do you think the 7 clowns will add more members to the exclusive GB club ?
by Chook inwill they draw a new name out of a hat or do a kiss test i don't know..
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Ray Frankz
They wont bring a large number to the GB ever again. When the expurg of 80' happened they had broaded it to 14 members. They of course are traumatized.
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Russian Ban upheld - JWs lose appeal
by OrphanCrow inthe supreme court of russia has rejected the jehovah's witnesses' appeal.. https://jw-russia.org/news/17071719-195.html.
july 17, 2017 the supreme court of russia has missed the last chance to restore law and justice for the 175,000 russian citizens professing the religion of jehovah's witnesses.
it took less than an hour of the meeting a panel of three supreme court judges, to leave unchanged the decision taken earlier by the judge yuri ivanenko, the liquidation and ban any and all registered organizations of the religion.since there is no more effective domestic remedies, the believers will appeal to the european court of human rights and other international organizations.. *note: as reported by the jworg source, jw-russia.org.
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No, I dont. I actually heard the reading of this letter at the meetinf, like two weeks after the ban.
the main thing was that the community of witnesses here in Brazil went to the utmost nonsense and they started to put dozens of letters in only one big package and send it to the embassador.
I told my elders that I didnt think it was it the GB meant, since for me it was clear the GB wanted NUMBERS. They wanted to show the world "see how many people care about us". Incredibly, most of the witnesses in here believed that the embassador, or even Putin was going to actually read the letters. You can see by that the intelectual level of the Group. Also some publishers went overexcited about the campaign and posted part or full letters on the internet and some of them made memes about the campaign.
well, in the letter they talked about how sad was the ban on russia, firstly thanked all support by letters but THEN started to talk about how the 'instructions' from the GB should br followed strictly. The letter mentioned specifically the confusion about sending a pack of letters, posting on internet and the memes.
it could be taken as something normal, but if you notice that they said three or four sentences to thank the brothers and sisters and a long explanation about how they had screwed up, you can see clearly what was the thought on the GB's heads.
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1950- present PDF Scans of original mailed or literature counter, WTs ?
by itsibitsybrainbutbigenoughtosmellarat ini think these exist ?
has someone created pdf scans of original mailed or literature counter wts?
or have copies of those pdf's?.
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Ray Frankz
Do you guys know why would they cut these out? Doesn't look like the articles talk about subjects they changed later.